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Oy vey.

Let me back up.

I'd rather you explain.

The allusion was intentional, I assure you.

Has anyone pointed out before that she is a scaggy, stupid cunt?

(I really don't like her.)

Aren't there also groups who consider themselves "true jews" who are nonetheless incredibly anti-semitic?

abe - You may be thinking of the Black Israelites. Louis Theroux did a hilarious segment on them for his old TV show.

They don't really figure in this conversation.

Also, I forgot to mention that Hebrew Christian and Christian Hebrew are also common terms for converted Jews and/or Judaized Christians.

Jews for Jesus is the name of the most famous organization of "messianic Jews," but is not a generic term.

Besides the black group, there are the British Israelites. Mormoms, too, maybe?

I understand this is different, but I think there is a relationship: those thinking of themselves as Jews who still don't really like ashkenazim, sephardim, etc.

What about my observation about Ms Coulter? Am I the first?

Most evangelicals I know do have an abstract fondness for Jews, but I suspect it has less to do with the fact that they're all going to heaven together and more to do with the fact that Jews protect the Holy Land so they don't have to. I think all the other reasons are sort of made up on the fly whenever they meet one, and those reasons are almost always preceded by, "No no no no no. I don't want you being offended by this..."

This will be in my book, obvs, but I think the affection (abstract is a good word for it) is actually fairly well grounded in the sense of kinship I mentioned. Equally, God says quite clearly that he loves the Jewish people, so Christians generally feel obliged to do the same. The apocalyptic/geopolitical stuff plays a role, but in my experience it's over-emphasized. And I've seen all this in writing/preaching aimed at Christians, not justifications offered on the fly.

abe - You're far from the first to call her a cunt or a stupid cunt. But scaggy, stupid cunt? That's all you.

Thanks. This is a case of someone who might otherwise be all right looking.

Many times during, say, pogroms, Jews have brought up this God says that he loves us thing...

Well, the system ain't perfect.

Do "completed Jews" get their foreskins reattached? 'cause they're kind of incomplete without them.

And I've seen all this in writing/preaching aimed at Christians, not justifications offered on the fly.

You know a lot more about it than I do. But most people, even those who go to church, know almost as much about theology as Miss Teen USA contestants know about Heidegger. I was probably being a little flip--I do think most evangelicals (and probably all Christians to some degree) think of themselves as being sort of "descended from Jews" and that gives them a little warm and fuzzy feeling when watching Seinfeld or reading about secret missile strikes into Syria.

Kevin - Yes. I endorsed your use of the word "abstract" not because they don't really mean it, but because they have little first-hand experience with Jews (and therefore don't understand that what they consider affection is often a little creepy).

I endorsed your use of the word "abstract" not because they don't really mean it, but because they have little first-hand experience with Jews (and therefore don't understand that what they consider affection is often a little creepy).

Ha! Yeah, that's well said.

I appreciate the analysis and discussion of these tricky theological points. But I wonder if Ann Coulter even cares, or remembers, what she said by now. (It's been one whole day after all). Her remarks sounded exactly like heard them once out of the corner of her ear while drunk at a hideous right wing cocktail party; and that when asked about Jews and Christianity she dredged up these half-remembered fragments out of her brain and flung them out there hoping that they would be offensive enough to stick.

I don't think that she *knows* what she's talking about, that she *believes* what she says, or that she even *cares* about her words five seconds after those words leave her mouth ...

But I've enjoyed the discussion anyway...

anon - That's at least half true, but, as I indicated in my fist sentence, I think AC has been making an effort for a while now to pass herself off as a Bible-believin' Christian, ever since she was shunted aside by the more elite conservative movement.

I don't think she really believes this stuff (the way most of the people I met do), which is why she sometimes gets it wrong, but she has seriously tried to learn it and incorporate it into her shtick.

Well, this is where I kind of disagree with you. She certainly has a "shtick", but if you have watched her over the years, you can see that she has deteriorated quite a bit in terms of actually knowing or caring anything about the topic she is discussing. She has become quite reckless and appears to be going for the maximum controversy and offensiveness - when she is coherent of course. She often sounds confused nowadays - her remarks on anorexia the other day for example, were both controversial and incoherent...

So I disagree that she has some reason or agenda for saying what she says. If she is making an effort, it isn’t much of one, and that effort certainly does not include researching and presenting positions and opinions that make sense or are tailored to a specific group.

I think that she has degenerated to a point where she has almost no organized support – I suspect that people have her on their shows because she is a train wreck, period.

I'll cop to not following her career as closely as all that.

One last thing about AC: A google experiment.

Search "Ann Coulter", record hits

then

Search "Ann Coulter" bitch
record and compare hits

("cunt" is less satisfying but still decent...)

...or, to put it another way: indecent.